SacFooter
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Robbo:
I am already cracking up how hard it seemed. One day the switch flipped and it got easier. I had a full 4 days of barefooting over the weekend and I must have taken 15 or 20 backwards runs. I took these before I saw your comments Robbo, but my head was in the same place: bringing the feet closer while still bent. It helped a lot. Some runs have more glide than others, but I still feel as though I am plowing. Next week I am going to a barefoot clinic and "glide", front and back is top on my list for things to work on with the pro (Andre D.!)
Anyway, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU5P5KL-w8g
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I am going to try to activate this thread as I have swerved into my next backwards goal: long line. I have tried it about ten times with about the same result. Andy tells me I am not waiting long enough. I agree. When I am back there my mind-clock runs fast and tells me to get off this vicious water.
I offer this video to the seasoned footers for comment. Any tips on how to stay between the wakes is welcome, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wnPsWRbhg
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I stuggled with this start behind the boat for a very long time (years) and it was not until this past Spring that I finally got consistant with the start. Andy is correct in that you are not waiting long enough, when you think you have waited long enough then count to 5 and even then it may not be long enough. I will tell you what has helped me with this start.
1. I do not know if you are wearing a cup or not but I would start wearing one if you don't already. I found that having a cup in allowed me to ride longer on my chest and just feel more comfortable. Without the cup I find myself rushing to get up in order to get the jewels up out of the way as fast as possible. I never wore one when footing on the boom for deepwater starts so I just assumed that I would be OK without it behind the boat.
2. As for staying between the wakes; I also had a problem with this and for me it came from allowing the pull of the handle to come more from one hand then the other. Make sure the pull in even in both hands/arms as you are coming up.
Good luck and keep footing; this start is one of the hardest to master in my opinion.
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SacFooter
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Thanks I12Foot. I do wear the cup, and have for a while. My nuts would get smacked on my tumble up, so the cup fixed that. I tend to ride on my right foot heavy, so it does not surprise me I am getting pushed out that way. What boggles my mind is I can't even tell I am going to one side. I watched the video again and see higher spray from the right foot. I wonder if it is my feet? One foot turned down, the other not? The handle makes sense, but I really feel like I let both of my arms out at the start. That was a challenge I had to overcome on the boom.
I will definitely need to try the counting see if that works.
Thanks.
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Sacfooter:
A few thoughts: I think you're planting way too soon and with your feet too far apart. This makes your body act like a parachute and the drag is a lot on you and the boat.
Your feet are always farther apart than you think they are, especially long-line. And if you give the driver the time to get you past the stern roller, you'll have a much easier time.
Here's what I tell people I'm teaching. When the boat takes off and your feet come off the rope, stop them, keep them in the air, and click your heels together once so you know just where they are. Stay stiff and wait for the stern roller. This will give the driver a moment to adjust and get ready for your plant. When you set your feet down, put them only shoulder width apart then let your arms out straight. From that point on, just concentrate on keeping your feet shoulder widtch apart. You'll have to pull inward on them as the boat excellerates. You'll think they're shoulder width apart, but in actuality, they'll be wider. The point is to stay firm and as the boat gains speed turn your feet down into the water with your heel being the pivot point. By having them closer, you'll be able to feel if your heavier on one more than the other....Chuck
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Good tips Chuck. I agree on the feet too wide. I haven't been able to find a way to keep them together. The heel touch is a good device. My plane has also been a weakness. Early on I had bouncing pproblems and I learned, right or wrong, to get my feet planted fast cause once I got bouncing that was it.
I see some guys that plane up to 25 MPH then plant. So you are saying to plane past the stern rollers, then plant? I will need to practice holding my plane a bit longer.and working tio keep the feet closer together. Andy warned me plenty of the boom habits making it harder behind the boat.
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O good way to communicate with your driver is to call the following pull: Medium out of the Hole, Slow over the rollers, then Firm up to speed. Squeeze your butt checks tight as your come out of the hole. That'll help keep your legs straight and tight. Wait for the driver to slow and you'll feel 3 small bumps. If the driver does it right, you won't feel hardly anything. Tell the driver not to excelerate until you plant, but once he does, make it a consistent exceleration up to speed. Keep us posted.
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very close on his attempts today and really once he did get up ...but then he fell...
THE KEY is up above- don't plant so wide , just shoulder width and then rotate your toes down and WAIT for the speed---wait wait wait. Its only water, it hurts worse to catch and flip over so stay down on your belly. and look out the back for balance.
I have been telling you and telling you to get your feet together while you are skiing on the boom and to get them parallel to the direction of travel(no more duckfoot..thats only in the initial plant) you have to rotate toes to the bottom of the river.
You'll get it, damn near had it today.
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Well, I did knock down my first big time long line back deeps, and boy does it feel good. Still lots to work on, but the bottom line is I am on my feet and not face down on the water. Andy and Willie gave me lots of tips, plus what I read here on the forum.
Lots more texture and terrain to deal with behind the boat. I am still surprised I survived coming on and off the wake.
Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuE8Oy1QAgc
I would swear my feet are 2 feet apart, not 4 feet apart. turning the feet down and pooching the ass made the difference today on getting out of the water. I took a few headpackers (not posted) not being patient and "standing up."
Feels goooood! ....aaaahhhh. sleep well tonight.
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Good job!!
Pretty soon you'll be saying gee why was that so hard to learn?
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Good job! Now the next step, RELAXing. Once up, just relax both arms and have an even pull through each and you'll naturally come into the curl. Don't worry about where you're at, but more about how you feel the pull is coming through your arms. You'll remember your first back deep your entire barefoot career. Congrats!
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Way to go! Your work has paid off.....heres to many more successful back deeps! They should only get easier as you do more! (I hope so anyway since this is coming from a guy who is still working on getting his first one)
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