Foot
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Sit Down & Stand Up one-foot
The skier shall, from BSP, sit down on the water surface, clearly showing his feet to be above the water surface once sat down.He shall then place one foot on to the water and in one attempt raise himself to forward one foot BSP and hold for recognition. From the point where he brings his feet off of the water only the foot he will stand up on may touch the rope or the water surface. 40pts (Basic and reverse shall be allowed in addition to the existing 2-foot version)
BACKWARD Side Slide Whilst in backward BSP the skier shall rotate both feet to a position 90º to the line of the boat path in one continuous movement and hold for recognition. 300pts SWITCH Side Slide Whilst in BSP the skier shall rotate both feet to a position 90º to the line of the boat path in one continuous movement and hold for recognition. With his weight supported by both feet and without changing the direction the skier is facing the skier shall then slide both feet to the opposite position and then back to the original side slide position and hold for recognition. 400pts
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barefootfan
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Isn't this good? Over 150 views on this topic and no replies? Anyone? Wimps?
Does anyone want to reply?
South Africans? Chuck? BFC? Anonymous?
I think it is great start to the next generation of barefoot water skiing..
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Foot
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I will "reply"..
I hope the reasson that we had so many hits and everybody just kept quiet is due to the fact that they are now out trying to learn these new tricks... Like many have been and most should have been doing since the first time they saw them on BFC....
Thanks to Chuck and Michelle for putting all of this in front of the world on a silver platter...
Merry Christmas to all...
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Foot: My only question is Who picked the point value for the switch blade? Is the WBC trying to convince the world that a flip is more difficult than that switch-blade? You haven't seen anyone doing them because it's by far one of the most difficult moves to do, and the risk value is also very high. You mess up that trick and odds are you're not going to tumble out of it, unlike mainy other tricks.
I'm glad the WBC put a point value to it, but it's pointless to do it if the points aren't in line with the risk factor. It's like when surface turns were lower in value. Nobody wanted to do them because it was easier to rack up more points doing the simple stuff. Of course, the smart skiers will start practicing them now in hopes that the WBC figures out the value is too low and adjusts.
Why did you even ask us to recommend point values?
And what happened to the overhead 360? Or overhead 180?
Your description of the Switchblade is too limiting, and increases the risk factor, especially when your judges haven't seen that many of them. I can hear guys like Cummings right now:
- How long do they have to hold for recognition?
- How do I determine if the skier has weight on both feet from 75 ft away?
- How wide do their feet need to be apart when they are crossed?
- What about spray? If there's spray, I can't see to judge it?
What makes the switchblade is the motion, not necessarily having even weight on your feet. It's about sliding one foot across (in front of) the other, and creating at least 12-16 inches of seperation, setting the foot on the water, and sliding back across, in a smooth and controled motion, all while maintaining a side slide position, which includes having released your trailing hand.
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Chuck,
Am I correct that you have learned the side slide and have been attempting or accomplishing the switch blade? How are your flips coming? I didn't think you could do them. I know some of the best barefooters in the world that can't do a flip. The current World Champion Keith St. Onge took years and years to accomplish just one flip and he still struggles to get them done. I also know some fairly novice footers that have been successful doing side slides. I think the points are probably in line. Time will tell. I'm not sure how cool it is to add tricks to the rule book any closer than one year from a World Championship. I'm all for getting them in there, but it seems to be favoring a couple of guys.
I hope it is a great Worlds and can't wait to see some of the action. Even scores will be fun to hear about.
I agree with you Chuck on the judging issues. I remember catching a foot of air on all four wake turns and getting cut because I "pushed" through the wake. I was simply pushing off the wake to get air. I guess they wanted you to do a turn while timing a hop over the wake. As usual all the guys in the boat had no idea what it took to do the trick. Anyway there is no doubt that issues will arise on judging these tricks.
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It will be cool to see some of the scores coming out of the World's. I believe that the WBC wanted to be conservative on the point values because it is yet to be seen how easy or hard the trick is to learn. They can always raise the value later and it is much easier to raise it then to lower it.
Foot,
As I was reading the new trick review process it occured to me that the WBC might want to reconsider how a new trick gets approved. I believe that currently you have to submit a video of the trick being done on the long line. My question is why do they have to have a video of the trick? Why not just a clear description of a trick. If we want to push the limits of the sport then lets just start thinking about what might be possible, write a description of it and give it a point value. If the points are high enough for a new trick someone will really push hard to try and figure out how to do it. For example we know that doing a 360 FF without the hands leaving the handle is possible on the short line and I have seen it come very close to being done on the long line. Well why not give it a big point value and see who shows up and puts it in their run.
Just something to think about.
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Paul:
Believe it or not, I used to do flips. Not as good as you of course, but I did them for about 2 summers prior to injuring my neck. Haven't done them since since I wear a neck brace all the time and can't tuck my head like I used to.
I can tell you that learning the flip came a lot quicker than a side slide or switch blade. Flips weren't as technical. They just took a lot of guts to get up the nerve to learn them. I always liked Ron's explanation of a flip. "When you do them right, they hurt. When you do them wrong, they hurt like hell".
I'm on my second season trying the side slide and can just now do one long-line. I had flips within the 2nd or 3rd set trying them. As for the switch blade, that's a whole different game. I'm two seasons in and still can't do one. A side slide may be able to be learned by the average footer, but I don't expect to see many, if any, average footers doing switches. I challenge you to try them, then come to your own conclusion as to what was harder to learn (flip or switch). I can tell you one thing, the falls on a side slide or switch are just as hard, if not harder than flips, because they come so unexpectedly.
What I don't like is how they score a side slide in a tournament. Anyone can up-weight an make it look like they did a side-slide for a half second. To me, that's not a side slide. A proper slide is done outside the chime spray drifting away from the curl and should be held for at least 2-3 seconds. The switch needs to have the movement of criss-crossing your feet multiple times. That's the extreme difficult thing to do and requires quite a lot of technical ability, and time on the water to accomplish.
Do it and judge for yourself.
Happy New Year!
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so I wonder if ANY of these were done at worlds?
I wonder if Andre or anyone else did any of these new tricks?
I learned the flip in one summer(got 14 stitches in the forehead too!), the sideslide in half a summer(highboom does it), the switch is tough to get but you just have to work it on the highboom, don't be trying it with a chest high boom, or you will pay...(I still don't have it down) its tough to get the back foot through the cut left by the front foot without losing balance, that said it also seems that doing a sideslide outside the chine spray and holding for a drift takes alot of time off your 15 secs, I guess you could do it first and tell them you are cutting outside for a position move to get set for your sideslide. otherwise its gonna burn a lot of seconds off the timer....at least thats how I see it.
now for freestyle... it rocks! looks super cool and just about nobody has even seen it done out on public water(the sideslide with a drift)
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Foot
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Hey I agree that the switch SS points are too low.. I am only one of the council and only have one vote.. I KNOW how hard it is.. Others will need convincing.. I will bet the poinits will go up.. For now lets be happy that we have them on the list at all...
Flip vs SSS
I could do a SS.. Learned it from Scarpa eons ago.. We learned them on the whip and it wasnt too difficult but they do produce some hellacious headaches when you fall... Never did one without a whip or drift so I cant comment on how long it took me to learn that.. I just know when I cut out I could hold one until the drift back pulled me back straight.. So I imagine that to learn one without the drift is more difficult..
I could do flips as well... HURT and took me a LONG time to figure it out.. Tried for a year, finally did 2 in a row.. Took 2 more years for the 3rd one.. after that I could do 10 in a row... just took figuring out that one little issue and correcting it... (dont look ahead, look at the pylon)
BUT that was me.. I taught John Pennay a flip in one go... Dont know if he ever did a SS... Some folks are gonna get one easy, some will get the other trick easy.. some will suffer and never get either... So which is harder??? How long is a piece of string??? Which is better vanilla or chocolate??
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